Fit2Fat2Fit With Drew Manning | Wellness Mama Podcast

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This episode is a lot enjoyable and I’m speaking to somebody who has gained and misplaced 70 kilos and who’s about to do it once more. Drew Manning is the “New York Occasions” bestselling creator of the e book “Match 2 Fats 2 Match.” And he’s greatest identified for his experiment that went viral on-line the place he gained after which misplaced numerous weight in order that he might perceive what his private coaching shoppers and shoppers that he labored with had been going by means of once they needed to shed weight. Due to this, he’s been featured on every little thing from “Good Morning America” to “Dr. Oz.” And his experiment has turn out to be successful TV present known as “Match to Fats to Match,” airing on A&E and Lifetime. We on this focus on that journey and what sparked it, effectively, why on earth he would do it once more, what the well being and health house is missing, you could be stunned at his reply and why on earth he would run 100 miles in 24 hours. Drew is an interesting man, I believe you’ll actually get pleasure from this episode and pull some useful nuggets from it. So with out additional ado, let’s be part of Drew. Drew, welcome. Thanks for being right here.

Drew: Katie, thanks a lot for having me on. It’s a pleasure.

Katie: I’m so excited to talk with you. I’ve been conscious of who you’re and adopted you for a very long time, however I can’t wait to share you with the viewers at this time, particularly, you’re most well-known to your moderately superb health journey that you just took on goal, which I believe is what makes it so uncommon. So, are you able to, for individuals who aren’t acquainted, clarify to us the journey and the story behind Match to Fats to Match?

Drew: Yeah, I’d like to. So, this all began again in 2011. I had this loopy concept. However even earlier than that, you understand, you must perceive just a little bit about my background to know why I made a decision to do that. So, I grew up in a household of 11 brothers and sisters, and all of us performed sports activities. So, I performed soccer and wrestling from a really younger age. And so, I’ve all the time been in form. I’ve all the time been match my whole life. After which in 2009, turned licensed as a coach. And right here I used to be, somebody who had by no means been chubby a day of their life, attempting to assist individuals who had been chubby just about their entire life. And there was an apparent disconnect and I couldn’t perceive why it was so onerous for my shoppers simply to do what I instructed them to do. I’m like, “Right here’s your meal plans, right here’s your exercises. You simply do it, and it’s not that onerous.”

And so, it will, you understand, they’d have hiccups alongside the street the place they’d give in to some meals temptations and eat some meals. And I’d be like, ”Why don’t you simply put down the junk meals? It’s not that troublesome. And simply go to the health club like I inform you to.” And I had some shoppers inform me, ”, you don’t perceive how onerous it’s for me or for folks like us that wrestle. And for you, it’s been simple your whole life.” And one among my shoppers was my brother-in-law on the time. And so, I took that to coronary heart. I’m like, ” what? You’re proper. I don’t perceive why it’s so onerous, for me, it appears so easy, proper? Such as you simply eat much less and you’re employed out and also you go to the health club and growth, the outcomes come.”

And when he mentioned that to me, I used to be like, “ what? Possibly there’s one thing I must do. Possibly there’s one thing I must be taught as a coach.” And so, that’s the place I began pondering of concepts and this concept of gaining weight on goal. As loopy as that sounds, it was like a lightweight bulb went off in my head and I’m like, it felt nearly like a calling for me on the time. Like, perhaps that is one thing I must do to be taught for myself to type of perceive what it’s wish to be chubby. And so, I began this journey, Match to Fats to Match, six months I couldn’t train. So, that was the principles. I ate a typical American weight loss plan. I placed on 75 kilos of pure fats throughout that point. And it was essentially the most humbling factor I’ve ever performed, and one of many hardest issues I’ve ever performed, however I realized so many useful classes from it. And it completely shifted my perspective of the way in which I view transformation and weight reduction now. It’s completely completely different than how I considered it again then. I simply realized how flawed it was. And so, that’s type of the story in a nutshell, and that’s type of the thought behind why I made a decision to do Match to Fats to Match.

Katie: That’s so unimaginable. It’s fascinating to me. So, you mentioned to achieve the burden, you didn’t train in any respect and also you ate a typical American weight loss plan. Have been there any pointers past that, like, did you must really make your self eat sure meals or hit a sure variety of energy, or did you simply solely select from sure meals?

Drew: That’s a extremely good query. So, I didn’t have like a each day caloric consumption objective of what I wanted to hit. For me, my guidelines had been, I didn’t actually go the Morgan Spurlock route in Tremendous Measurement Me the place he ate McDonald’s for 30 days straight at 3 times a day, I felt like most People know quick meals is unhealthy for us. What I needed to concentrate on was on a regular basis meals that we grew up with within the ’70s and ’80s that we predict are type of not that unhealthy for us, that perhaps a few of them are marketed to us as well being meals. So, extremely processed meals that had been tremendous low-cost and reasonably priced, actually handy, proper? No preparation time. They usually style superb. Like, I’m not gonna lie, cinnamon toast crunch was my jam. I like that, having it each single day and like these hyper-palatable meals turned so good, it turned really easy to over-consume these meals.

So, if I had a guess, I used to be in all probability consuming 4,000 to five,000 energy a day of those extremely processed meals. Like I mentioned, they had been tremendous low-cost. They had been tremendous handy. And you understand, they’re far more reasonably priced than actual entire meals are. Sadly, that’s the way in which we’ve it in our nation. And it created this vicious cycle with this dependency on these meals. And so, that’s how I placed on the 75 kilos in 6 months.

Katie: A few issues that appear hanging about that one being a few these meals you talked about are ones which might be marketed largely to children. So, that’s type of unhappy, that we’re giving children these meals, you understand, from the very starting, however that is sensible. I’ve typically thought, you understand, it’s actually onerous to overeat on greens. You’d have to truly actually, actually make an effort. However I additionally assume that’s actually fascinating as a result of you may be taught a lot from the inverse of that. So, these are the issues that it took so that you can acquire weight. In fact, they’d in all probability not be the issues folks ought to do once they’re attempting to shed weight. How did you flip that on its head? Initially, how did you determine if you had gained sufficient weight after which if you had been gonna begin shedding once more and what did you alter at that time?

Drew: Oh, good query. So, I made a decision from the start, it will be six months, regardless of how a lot weight I gained. I used to be anticipating to achieve 50 or 60 kilos, however undoubtedly overshot that and ended up getting 75 in 6 months. And the fascinating factor was I wasn’t stuffing my face. I didn’t really feel like I used to be stuffing my face each single meal. Like, each meal wasn’t a meals problem for me. I ate until I used to be full. After which I waited until I used to be ravenous once more. And the fascinating factor with these meals was each couple hours, I’d be completely ravenous and famished to the purpose the place, you understand, I wanted one thing instantly. And so, that’s what this meals would do to me is created this vicious cycle of dependency, nearly habit. I all the time say that is nearly an actual meals addition, for me at the very least, to the place I needed to have it. In any other case, I felt so depressing.

And so, that was an eyeopener for me. After which because the journey went on, clearly, gaining the burden, there was additionally a psychological and emotional piece to this entire factor. I undoubtedly wanna throw that in there as a result of folks assume, okay, you simply eat extra energy, you don’t train, you acquire fats in your physique. Sure, we perceive that, nevertheless it impacts you a lot extra on the psychological, emotional aspect than I imagined. And that’s the place I used to be actually humbled and realized how flawed I used to be. And so, what that regarded like for me was, you understand, my identification for thus lengthy was my physique trying a sure method. So, I used to be Drew the match man in my thoughts, proper? My whole life that’s who I turned as a result of I’ve all the time been in form. I’ve all the time had, you understand, a six-pack for essentially the most half and regarded lean.

After which after I was chubby, going out in public, it was a lot more durable than I assumed it will be as a result of I needed to go as much as strangers and clarify to them why I wasn’t actually chubby. And like I needed to clarify it, like, I needed to clarify to them, “Hey, that is simply an experiment. Right here’s my web site. You go to…you understand, right here’s my earlier than image. That is what I usually seem like,” as a result of I used to be so uncomfortable as a result of, at the moment, I used to be so hooked up to my physique picture as my self-image. And that’s the place I realized finally to let that go. However that was so onerous for me. Like, my shallowness took successful and my confidence took successful for certain. And it’s one thing that I felt like I wanted to undergo to type of see it by means of a distinct lens.

However anyhow, quick ahead to, you understand, shedding the burden six months after that, it was, I needed to do chilly turkey as a result of I had six months to lose it. And so, I knew it was gonna be actually onerous, however I didn’t notice how onerous it will be going from six months of consuming that meals each single day to the following day, consuming greens and lean meats and, you understand, wholesome meals that, you understand, we’re tremendous typically speculated to eat. It sucked so dangerous. Like, the meals didn’t style good that nearly as good as I keep in mind it. I had complications. I used to be grumpy. I used to be moody. I used to be ravenous. Despite the fact that I used to be consuming 2,000 energy a day, my physique nearly fought again in opposition to me to the purpose the place it lastly clicked for me. I’m like, “That is what my shoppers have been telling me about.”

And for me, I’d simply inform them, ”Look, you must have extra willpower. It is advisable have extra self-discipline. It’s not that onerous. Put the junk meals down, put the soda down.” And for me, a private coach experiencing these withdrawal signs, as highly effective as they had been, I had no concept how highly effective that emotional connection to meals actually was till I went by means of this expertise and my eyes had been actually opened. And like I mentioned, that’s the place I began to develop empathy for people who wrestle with this due to what I used to be experiencing, and I used to be solely consuming this fashion for six months. And so anyhow, that was a really eye-opening expertise. After which such as you talked about, the journey again to suit was principally entire meals, extra of like a paleo-ish method, 5 small meals all through the day. That’s what I did again in 2011, 2012. And that methodology undoubtedly works. I do one thing completely different these days, for certain. However that’s type of the strategy I used to finally lose the burden.

Katie: I like that you just talked about that you just had been capable of see that by means of your shoppers’ eyes and likewise that concept of being perceived in a different way. I’m curious if something, in that specific, like, did you are feeling that in these cases, like, the way you had been being perceived by others? As a result of I’ve been at a wide range of completely different sizes during the last 14 years as I had 6 children and thyroid illness and during the last 2 years have misplaced 80 kilos. And that was one of many issues that basically struck me was how in a different way I felt like I used to be being perceived by folks. And it simply, it’s onerous to even put into phrases how completely different these interactions really feel.

Drew: Sure, for certain. And I undoubtedly had these moments. I keep in mind very clearly one time I used to be on the grocery retailer, my buying cart was clearly stuffed with junk meals and I used to be trying out and there was these three ladies behind me and I used to be clearly bigger presently and I might really feel the stares, just a little little bit of them taking a look at my stomach, them taking a look at this buying cart stuffed with junk meals. And I needed to say to them so badly like, ”Hey women, I usually don’t eat this meals. That is simply an experiment I’m doing like usually I’m wholesome.” However in that second, I really stopped and simply let all these emotions of feeling judged sink in. I didn’t say something to them and I simply allow them to, you understand, whether or not they had been judging me or not, I don’t know. They didn’t say something imply or impolite to me. I simply felt the stares.

And for me, that’s the place it clicked. That is one thing that my shoppers are people who find themselves chubby must undergo every day the place they’re checked out in a different way or they’re judged. And you are feeling these judgments or these stares. And I’ve by no means felt that earlier than as a result of I’ve all the time been in form. However right here’s the factor I’ll say, Katie, and this, you possibly can in all probability relate to that is I believe males who’re larger are judged in a different way than ladies who’re larger in society. I believe ladies have it method more durable than males do. Girls are extra essential in direction of different ladies. And I believe males can type of get away with being husky or bigger.

So, nobody was ever actually impolite or imply to me for certain. However I did have my moments of feeling judged and that was a type of moments the place I lastly let it sink in as a substitute of attempting to clarify to folks what was taking place. And that’s type of the place, for me, I spotted weight reduction transformation is a lot extra psychological, emotional than folks assume. It’s not so simple as simply consuming much less and understanding. And that’s why I’ve no regrets going by means of what I went by means of as a result of it made me a greater human, made me a greater, you understand, particular person typically the place I’m not that judgmental coach anymore, taking a look at different folks pondering, “Why don’t folks simply have willpower? Why don’t they only have self-discipline?” However that was the way in which I used to assume. So, that’s why I say, you understand, I’ve no regrets doing what I did.

Katie: Did you run into any surprising hindrances if you began attempting to lose the burden?

Drew: Sure. And this was, to start with, the primary transition of how onerous it was gonna be and the way dangerous my physique, like, I assumed my physique can be my ally. In a way, my physique was preventing again in opposition to me saying, ”No, we would like the excessive from these meals that you just fed us for six months.” Like, my physique like needed that. And that was so fascinating to me of how highly effective that was. After which as I began shedding the burden, right here I used to be a private coach with the information, the self-discipline, and every week I needed to do a weekly check-in and weigh in. And there was weeks the place I gained weight and I didn’t have any clarification for it. And there was weeks the place, you understand, I didn’t make any progress. And I did every little thing on my meal plan, I did all my exercises, in fact, and I didn’t actually have an evidence for different than simply, you understand, hey, generally it’s not linear like we predict it’s.

And I assumed that was actually highly effective for me too, as a result of, you understand, I’d have shoppers earlier than say, ”Drew, I’m doing the meal plans, I’m doing the exercises. And I simply, I’m not seeing the progress on the size.” And the outdated me was like, ”Nicely, you’re in all probability sneaking one thing in right here or there,” you understand, doubting in the event that they had been actually doing it. And right here I used to be doing it and nonetheless struggling. And so, that was actually eye-opening and highly effective for me too is the burden loss shouldn’t be linear. , you possibly can do all of the calorie counting and macro counting you need, with regards to the size, it doesn’t all the time find yourself the way in which we would like it to. Particularly if you happen to weigh your self one level within the day versus two hours later, you’re gonna be completely different weight. It’s all the time fluctuating.

And so, for me, I’m not an enormous fan of the size typically. I hate the size, however, you understand, I do know our society nonetheless makes use of it as a type of measurement, however I believe there’s method higher measurements on the market. However yeah, I did hit hindrances and had plateaus throughout this journey that had a combat by means of. And that’s why, for me, weight reduction transformation is a lot extra psychological, emotional than folks assume. I want it had been so simple as simply consuming much less and understanding after which growth, magically, you’re skinny. It’s much more complicated than that.

Katie: Completely. And I do know from like a girl’s perspective, that’s one thing I remind ladies now, particularly if you happen to’re obsessively watching your weight, usually, if all your hormones are even the place they’re precisely speculated to be, over the course of a month, you possibly can range by as a lot as 10 kilos based mostly on water and what you’ve eaten and hormones and every kind of things, and that’s not dangerous. That’s really regular. And I needed to be taught that lesson with the size as effectively, and to be taught to concentrate on different issues as effectively, like power and like how a lot weight I might carry off the bottom, not simply how a lot weight was on the size and issues like that as different optimistic metrics to trace whereas I used to be in the midst of that. I’m curious how these classes translated into your coaching as soon as you bought again to coaching after the six months, did you see a distinction in the way in which you had been interacting with folks or did you may have extra methods to offer them of why it’s not simply as simple as willpower or breaking by means of these issues?

Drew: Sure, a lot, a lot. It undoubtedly modified how I approached folks. So, there was a quote that I like. It says, ”Nobody cares how a lot you understand till they know the way a lot you care.” And for me, that’s what Match to Fats to Match is all about after going by means of this entire experiences. Sure, you possibly can have all of the information on the earth, you may have all of the certifications on the earth, perceive the science of what occurs within the physique. However for folks, most individuals, they don’t actually care what you understand, or the information that you’ve, the credentials you may have till they really feel like you may relate to them and are available right down to their degree and perceive the place they’re coming from. And that’s the place empathy, I really feel, isn’t talked about sufficient within the health trade and that’s for me, one thing that I try to concentrate on, first is come from a spot of empathy and understanding as a substitute of listening to somebody like a consumer to reply to critique or right or decide. It’s actually listening to know.

And I really feel like if you happen to actually pay attention to know, you may undoubtedly relate to their struggles so a lot better. After which I really feel like they’re extra prepared to hearken to you as soon as they really feel such as you do care about them and that you just do perceive the place they’re coming from, at the very least, as a substitute of simply judging them. And so, for me, it has to do with extra assistance on the psychological, emotional aspect. So ideas, methods, hacks to assist them really feel extra fulfilled with who they’re now, whereas they’re engaged on a greater model of themselves.

So, sure, there’s a bodily side to weight reduction and there all the time can be. It does come right down to, you understand, consuming much less energy, in fact, and shifting your physique extra. However I really feel like on the psychological emotional aspect, that’s the place folks wrestle to dwell that constantly. And their notion of well being and health is so skewed that they assume that they’re solely profitable in the event that they get the outcomes. So, I’m solely profitable, I’m solely gonna do that technique of maintaining a healthy diet and exercising if I get the outcomes and that’s the place we’ve it backwards.

So, if I might assist them with easy ideas, methods, and hacks to shift their notion, that helps them fall in love with the method regardless of the outcomes, the outcomes find yourself taking good care of themselves over time as you reside the approach to life constantly and as you come from a spot of self-love versus self-hate as a result of if you happen to love your self, you’re gonna wanna deal with your self proper. You’re gonna wanna feed your self wholesome meals. You’re gonna transfer your physique daily as a result of it feels good to you. Not as a result of there’s a reward on the finish of it and a promise of probably being skinny or having a six-pack in the future, that’s the place we’ve it backwards within the health trade.

Persons are prepared to place up with a course of for a time period so long as these outcomes are available inside that point, in the event that they don’t come inside that point, we predict, effectively, what’s the purpose? , and there’s no outcomes right here, so why even strive. , I might get the identical outcomes from consuming unhealthy meals and residing an unhealthy way of life, and that’s the place we’ve it backwards. So, if I might assist folks shift their notion of that by means of these psychological and emotional ideas, methods, and hacks, and what I imply by that particularly, and what I’ve seen work for me and so many different folks is issues like meditation or some apply of mindfulness, of being current within the second. So, that you just’re extra conscious of what you’re placing in your physique and why you’re placing it in your physique after which additionally optimistic affirmations.

I’ve seen it work very well for folks the place they begin to imagine in themselves. They begin to have that self-confidence that they know they by no means actually had earlier than after which the gratitude journal. After which what the gratitude journal does is it helps them to wire the mind to search for issues that they’re grateful for on this current second the place issues aren’t excellent, their physique isn’t the place they needed to be, however they’re nonetheless grateful for issues each single day. They usually’ve skilled their mind to search for these issues, to be pleased about them. After which they’re extra fulfilled throughout that journey as a substitute of claiming, effectively, in the future after I get this physique, in the future when the burden loss comes, in the future when I’ve this a lot cash, after which I’ll be comfortable, then I’ll love myself, however that’s not the way it works. You waste a lot of your life at conflict with your self, hating your self, beating your self up extra and also you notice your entire life you’ve lived that method. What if you happen to tried one thing completely different and tried self-love at the beginning and be taught to be fulfilled throughout that course of, though issues aren’t excellent proper now. And that’s type of what I try to do now could be assist folks shift their notion of what success appears like in well being and health.

Katie: I like every little thing about what you simply mentioned. And I am going that from my very own expertise. I had that very same script and filter for thus lengthy that if solely I used to be a sure measurement or regarded a sure method, then I’d be comfortable. And it wasn’t till I spotted I might really simply select to be comfortable and settle for myself now that every one of these issues began altering. And I believe as a result of it shifted my entire notion, it wasn’t…I’m pretty believing you may’t hate your self wholesome. And I used to be attempting to deprive myself and drive my physique to do what I needed it to do.

And after I shifted from that mindset of deprivation and punishment to nourishing and loving and all of that, it utterly modified my relationship, not simply with meals, however with myself and different relationships in my life. And the burden loss was a results of that. It wasn’t the objective anymore. And also you’re proper. I believe I like that there are folks such as you who’re addressing these ranges for folks as a result of, actually, my expertise was that that was completely the important thing. It wasn’t simply part of it. It was the important thing to truly any of these shifts taking place for me, at the very least.

Drew: Yeah. And that’s stunning. And I’m so glad that you’re a voice for that and serving to so many different women and men of your followers, assist them to shift that notion. I believe that’s actually what it takes. It’s an enormous shift in notion as a result of we’ve been so ingrained within the well being and health trade of like, okay, to achieve success, right here’s a weight loss plan you do, and right here’s an train program you do. And if you happen to keep according to this, then you definitely’ll get this physique. After which with that physique, you’ll turn out to be all come happiness. And other people will say how a lot they love you and then you definitely’ll begin to love your self. And that’s only a false promise and similar factor with cash. Like, oh, upon getting this a lot cash, all of your issues go away. And we all know that’s a delusion as a result of we all know people who find themselves super-wealthy which might be depressing. We all know folks that have six-pack abs that also hate themselves and nonetheless assume they’re not ok.

And so, that’s type of what the objective is. And that’s…it’s type of going in opposition to the tradition of the weight loss plan trade although as a result of that’s what folks will assume they need. However that’s why there’s such a psychological, emotional part to this transformation that’s method neglected as a result of we wish to simplify it and quantify it and make all of it about, you understand, getting and decreasing energy to get such a a physique to then match into society. Nicely, it actually comes right down to asking your self, why? Why do we would like that? Why will we wish to, you understand, lose the burden? Why will we wish to have a sure kind of physique? And you must ask your self that query, why? Why do you actually need that?

And I believe the older you get, the wiser you get, the extra you notice it’s about well being and feeling good. And sure, you wish to have these outcomes of getting a very good physique. However if you happen to had to decide on between having a very good physique however feeling depressing or not having the perfect physique however feeling tremendous wholesome, I believe as you grow old, you may have children, you may have grandkids, it’s far more about well being.

Katie: Completely. I believe these have been the teachings for me on this journey is, to start with, how vital that psychological and emotional part is and secondly, how customized well being and weight loss plan are for each single particular person. And I believe, like, so many individuals work out the factor that works for them, and so they’re so excited. They wanna inform everybody, however they discovered the factor that works for them. I believe there’s a degree of experimentation and studying to truly work with your individual physique and work out these issues. I do assume there’s additionally in all probability some common issues which might be useful throughout the board. And I’m curious when you have any issues that you’d put in that class of clearly with personalization and the psychological emotional taken into consideration, however with regards to simply the weight loss plan and health aspect, issues that you just discover particularly useful?

Drew: Yeah. So, to start with, I’m an enormous fan of everybody having a software belt, and in that software belt, numerous instruments, and people instruments might be issues like paleo, keto, vegan, vegetarian, like alternative ways of consuming. And I’m such as you, I don’t really feel it’s good to show one among these methods of consuming into a faith, which is, you understand, folks come dogmatic as a result of they do get good outcomes. They wanna inform their pals about it and preach about it. After which they have a look at different meals or different methods of consuming as dangerous or sinful in a method. And that’s the place it could actually turn out to be very unhealthy.

So, for me, you understand, what I’ve seen work for lots of people is, you understand, clearly, a complete meals method, whether or not you’re doing paleo, keto, vegan, no matter. If you’re principally consuming entire meals, I believe everybody within the weight loss plan trade can agree that’s in all probability genuinely wholesome. And whether or not you prohibit carbs or fat or sure meals teams, sure that may work, nevertheless it doesn’t work for everybody, proper? And for some, it may be damaging and dangerous. It simply is dependent upon the particular person. , it’s very particular person. I’m an enormous fan of the ketogenic weight loss plan, not for weight reduction or fats loss. , there’s each weight loss plan works, if you happen to prohibit your energy, you understand, for essentially the most half, with regards to weight reduction or fats loss, however there’s a lot extra to well being than that. And so for me, that’s why I just like the ketogenic weight loss plan is as a result of my psychological readability for my mind is like night time and day.

, after I eat principally carbohydrates, I simply have a tendency to not really feel as sharp. , my mind isn’t as sharp. My cognitive perform isn’t nearly as good. My psychological readability isn’t nearly as good. However after I’m in a strict state of ketosis, I like the sensation of not having to eat 5, six, seven instances a day. And I like the way in which my mind feels on keto. And my digestion is so a lot better as a result of I’m not a slave to meals of getting to prep 5 – 6 meals all through the day, which is what I used to do. And sure, that’s nonetheless bought me to look a sure method, nevertheless it isn’t like all of the prep work that went into, it didn’t match my way of life. And now, you understand, I’m a dad, I’ve 2 daughters which might be 9 and 11 and I don’t have time to meal prep and produce my meals with me on a regular basis. And so, for me, it’s simpler from a life-style perspective to quick, to do some kind of intermittent fasting the place I’m consuming a a couple of times a day.

And I really feel actually good consuming numerous greens as a substitute of a ton of fruit however doesn’t imply I’m strict keto on a regular basis. I like to cycle out and in of ketosis, which is, you understand, I believe if you happen to have a look at it from an evolutionary perspective, people had been designed to run off with two various kinds of fuels, each glucose, and ketones. And there have been durations of feast and famine the place there was an abundance of meals. After which there was a shortage of meals and also you had to have the ability to survive. And that’s the way in which our our bodies had been designed by having a backup system like ketosis to have the ability to burn our fats as vitality within the type of ketones.

And so, I like keto as a software in our software belt that can be utilized sometimes. Sure, for weight reduction and fats loss, but in addition decreasing irritation, not being a slave to meals anymore. And I really feel like, you understand, our society is so ingrained on this, you understand, eat from the minute you get up and eat to the minute you go to mattress and all day lengthy, snacking 5, six, seven meals a day. Whereas I believe, you understand, from a well being perspective, it’s typically wholesome accepted within the well being and wellness tradition to quick each infrequently. And that’s why it’s practiced by each main faith, not a lot to shed weight, however only for general well being, cell regeneration, anti-aging, there’s numerous well being advantages to it.

And so, I take advantage of a mixture of intermittent fasting, cyclical keto however principally based mostly off of entire meals. However, you understand, sometimes, I’ve two younger daughters. We wish to eat pancakes, you understand, or I’m gonna eat birthday cake on their birthday and never really feel responsible about it. So, that’s type of my method of what I believe works for me. However I’m an enormous fan of individuals that may do a complete meals vegan method and be tremendous wholesome, similar factor with paleo. I believe typically, so long as you’re consuming entire meals, for essentially the most half, you’ll in all probability be okay from a well being perspective.

Katie: Yeah. I’ve landed very a lot in an analogous place that seems like you may have. And my method is that I don’t do something daily. I don’t need the physique to ever be capable of adapt to something and get used to it. So, I don’t eat the identical method each single day. I don’t work out the identical method each single day. I don’t even take nutritional vitamins each single day. I wanna maintain mixing it up simply to maintain the physique adapting. And also you’re proper, we’re meant to run off these completely different gasoline sources. And so, letting the physique have the chance to do this at completely different instances makes a lot sense. And I additionally, if my analysis is right, you’re about to tackle a giant experiment, are you able to fill us in on that?

Drew: Sure. Thanks a lot for letting me discuss this. So, that is… Oh, man. So, that is in all probability just like the second or third podcast that I’ve talked about this on. So, I did Match to Fats to Match again in 2011 and I used to be 31 years outdated. My metabolism was completely different. My hormones had been completely different for certain. I turned 40 this yr on December twenty seventh. And over the previous yr or so, I’ve been planning to revisit this journey, however as a 40-year-old. I do know it sounds loopy. Why would I do that once more? I’ll clarify why I’ve determined to embark on this journey once more, known as it Match to Fats to 40 this time round. For me, it’s about a few issues. One, my message has turn out to be so clear over time since I did Match to Fats to Match again within the day in 2011. And my message is one among empathy.

And I wish to shine the sunshine on individuals who wrestle with transformation, individuals who wrestle with weight reduction, who really feel they’re judged by others as lazy or lower than due to the way in which they appear, due to their physique form. And my message is to unfold empathy, to let folks know that empathy is one thing that’s lacking within the health trade. And I wanna be a voice for that. And so, Match to Fats to 40 is the car to catch folks’s consideration as a result of, in fact, it’s loopy, in fact, it’s dangerous. And, in fact, there’s gonna be an leisure issue to it. However for me, like I mentioned, this message may be very away from what I really feel like I wanna unfold this time round. I really feel like I’ve a lot extra to say this time round. And I believe empathy is one thing that could possibly be a driving drive, particularly within the health trade for change to shift our notion.

However this world typically, have a look at 2020 what it has performed to us as a society, it’s brought on a lot division. I really feel like empathy is one thing that we lack on this world, which causes hate, which causes judgment, which causes extra concern and worrying. And I really feel like if we might be taught to develop empathy for others, we might make some large modifications on this world. So, that’s the primary motive I’m doing this once more, is to push for the message of empathy and the significance of empathy, particularly within the health trade.

The second motive is as a result of I’m turning 40. Clearly, my metabolism is completely different. My hormones are just a little bit completely different. And I wish to give folks in that age group a hope for change that we don’t must blame our age for our well being. And I really feel like we are able to grab our well being collectively as a workforce as a result of what’s going to occur as beginning August twenty seventh of 2020 by means of December twenty seventh, which is my birthday the place I turned 40. And, you understand, I’ll be gaining the burden. That’d be the burden gaining part that individuals can comply with alongside and be very partaking and academic.

There’s numerous alternatives to indicate folks from a medical perspective, from a well being perspective, what’s taking place on the within of my physique as I’m residing this way of life. That can be broadcasted throughout all of the platforms. After which come January of 2021, I believe so many individuals simply wanna be performed with 2020, so far as their bodily well being, their psychological well being. I really feel like it is going to be that excellent time the place everybody can come collectively as a workforce, as a group. And I can say, ”Hey, let’s do that collectively. Let’s not solely lose this weight collectively. Let’s shift our notion of what success within the weight reduction trade appears like.”

And I really feel, like I mentioned, my message, every little thing we’ve talked about on this podcast, Katie, is precisely what I wanna get throughout to folks in order that they perceive that it’s not nearly getting your physique to look a sure method. It’s not nearly losing a few pounds and shedding fats. I would like folks to appreciate that they’re greater than their physique. They’ve extra to supply this world and their bodily physique. And it’s time that we, as a society, cease inserting a lot worth in judgment on others who may not look the identical as a result of I really feel like wholesome can look completely different on everyone. It doesn’t must be 5% physique fats and what you see on Instagram. And I really feel prefer it’s time that we make some modifications on this trade. And for me, Match to Fats to 40, me doing it a second time is that car or might be that car.

Katie: I’ll ensure I’ve hyperlinks within the present notes so everybody can comply with together with this journey. And I like a lot about what you simply mentioned about empathy. I believe that’s an important metaphor for all times and a reminder to all of us, anytime there’s one thing that comes simply to us, that may be a excellent alternative for empathy and love and to assist others in that space. Nevertheless it does, it begins with the empathy. And I like that you just’re bringing that into the health world as a result of as somebody who has additionally been on either side of this, I’ve felt that stress, particularly in health club environments of like, why can’t you simply…this is very easy. And from the aspect of how onerous it was, I’m taking a look at them going, “Look, dude, you’re performed. You could have abs, why are you even right here?” As a result of it comes simple.

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One other journey that I believe you may have performed lately that I’d love to listen to about concerned working 100 miles from what I perceive. And I’d love to listen to you clarify the rationale why you undertook that.

Drew: Sure. And thanks for letting me discuss this. So, right here’s the factor. I’ve by no means been a runner. I’ve by no means run a marathon or half marathon my whole life. I’ve all the time hated working as a result of I grew up enjoying sports activities. Operating was type of the punishment of the game. Like, you needed to run if you happen to miss a sort out, you had run if you happen to tousled. And so, I’ve by no means loved working. After which quick ahead to about final yr round this time or round Might of final yr, my brother invited me to run 100 miles with him as a result of he had simply listened to the e book, ”Can’t Harm Me” by David Goggins. And if you happen to haven’t heard that e book or listened to it on Audible, I extremely, extremely advocate it.

David Goggins’ story is so highly effective. He’s very well-known on this house as, you understand, one of many hardest guys on on the earth for his psychological toughness and his self-discipline that he has. And so, after studying that e book, I used to be motivated to do one thing, however I had by no means thought in 1,000,000 years, 100 miles can be that factor I’d try and do. So, we really tried to do it final yr, however I solely skilled for six weeks for it. I didn’t actually know. I didn’t actually, I wasn’t actually ready. And I went on the market and attempt to run 100 miles in 24 hours and failed, however I bought 80 miles performed in 24 hours. And what that mentioned to me was, one, I by no means imagined I might do 80 miles. And two, I assumed, what if I really skilled for this? Is that this one thing that I might probably pull off? As a result of folks, you understand, not everybody does marathons, however marathon is a quite common factor, 26.2 miles, which is troublesome nonetheless in itself, 100 miles is like past that. I really feel like, to your common particular person, like, that’s unattainable. There’s no method I might do this.

And all of us have these self-limiting beliefs that we grew up with pondering that’s not for me. Individuals do this, yeah. I’ve seen folks do this, however I can’t do this. That’s not for me. Like, we’ve these self-limiting beliefs that retains us from even attempting. And so, the truth that I went on the market and tried and failed nonetheless for me was successful as a result of I needed to then see if I might really do it. And this yr, I skilled for it just a little bit in a different way, just a little bit. I had some assist from some professionals this time round to, you understand, assist me prepare for one thing like this. And after coaching hardcore for 7 months, I used to be capable of pull it off and run the 100 miles in beneath 24 hours, which, you understand, I didn’t break any data and it like, I’m not gonna turn out to be an ultra-marathon runner by any means, however I needed to do it to say that I did it to indicate me and others that if you happen to put your physique and thoughts to one thing, though we’ve these self-limiting beliefs of issues that appear so unattainable to us, you can nonetheless do these unattainable issues. It’s simply, we’re too scared.

We’re too scared to go outdoors of our consolation zone as a result of we dwell in a world of consolation. , we’ve air-conditioned homes, we’ve heat water in our showers and we’ve meals at any time when we would like it. We have now Uber eats. We have now eating places, we’ve grocery shops, we’ve delicate carpet in our homes. We have now delicate beds. We have now all these comforts that make us really feel snug. And for many people these days, we’re conditioned to remain in that consolation zone as a result of we’re undecided what’s gonna occur. There could possibly be hazard. There could possibly be dangers, but when we keep in our consolation zone, we’ll by no means know what we’re absolutely able to. And so for me, this 100 miles was one thing that was just like the unattainable marker, like, you understand, going to the moon or one thing like that.

And for me, you understand, coaching for it for seven months was a testomony to how superb our our bodies are and the way superb our minds are. And we’re stronger than we predict we’re. And we are able to do more durable issues than we predict we are able to. And it begins with doing small issues. It’s not like at in the future, I awoke and ran 100 miles. It begins with little issues like perhaps at this time I’m gonna take a chilly bathe, which sucks. And it’s method out of my consolation zone. And I do know it’s gonna be uncomfortable, however perhaps if I might prepare my thoughts to do this for 60 seconds, perhaps then I might prepare my physique and my thoughts to perhaps train 5 days this week, you understand? After which from there, it builds…you construct up that confidence and also you begin to situation your self and imagine in your self that you are able to do more durable issues. After which earlier than you understand it, perhaps it’s 100 miles or perhaps it’s like, perhaps for you or for somebody listening, it’s a 10K or a 5K or it’s like mountaineering some superb hike that appeared too onerous earlier than, it might seem like something.

For me, I simply selected the 100 miles, however that’s what I needed to indicate folks. And that’s why I did it. And fortuitously, it labored out and, you understand, I don’t plan on working anytime quickly as a result of I simply did this in June. However I needed to say that I might do it. So, that’s type of the story in a nutshell.

Katie: I like that. One in all our household mottos is we inform our children, you had been made to do onerous issues and now they flip it round on me at any time when, like, it’s cliff leaping or one thing that scares me, they’re like, ”Mother, you had been made to do onerous issues too.” However I like that clarification and why you probably did that. I’m curious, are there issues like that you just’ve talked about you may have two daughters that you just attempt to just be sure you train them and impress upon them early?

Drew: Yeah, so far as getting out of their consolation zone and doing onerous issues?

Katie: Yeah. And likewise, perhaps talking to that piece additionally about self-acceptance and I do know physique picture issues generally is a robust factor for women. I keep in mind being that age. Are there ways in which you’re serving to them navigate these issues?

Drew: A hundred percent. I simply did a publish perhaps final week or two weeks in the past. I believe it has essentially the most engagement I’ve ever bought on a publish. And it was titled, ”How one can Discuss to Your Daughters About Their Our bodies.” And for me, it’s so vital to assist prepare them from a really younger age, each me and their mother. We’re not married anymore, however we’re each on the identical web page about physique positivity and educating our ladies that it’s not a lot about what their physique appears like. It’s about what their our bodies can do and obtain. And as a substitute of complimenting them on how stunning they’re, like in the event that they’re gaining weight or losing a few pounds, you shouldn’t discuss in any respect to your daughters about weight or about their physique picture. It ought to be all about well being and power and treating our our bodies kindly with respect, loving our our bodies, loving different folks’s our bodies. And it ought to by no means ever be about weight reduction or fats loss or making it about diets or something like that.

Sure, I clearly am on this trade and so they see, you understand, whether or not I’m doing keto or generally I’m fasting, however for me, it’s not about weight acquire and weight reduction. And for me, you understand, we really had a complete sit down dialog with me and my ex about my new journey arising and the way are we gonna discuss to our daughters about that as a result of they’re gonna see me acquire weight. They’re gonna see me eat all of the junk meals. They’re gonna wanna eat the junk meals with me, for certain. And, you understand, I don’t wanna deprive them and maintain them tremendous strict the place they’ll’t contact a processed carbohydrate for the remainder of their life. However on the similar time, I would like them to know what I’m doing and why I’m doing it and the way our our bodies are superb issues that may do these superb issues.

And our our bodies are short-term, proper? Your physique, such as you mentioned, you’ve been by means of completely different phases of your journey the place your physique’s in all probability regarded in a different way after having six children versus earlier than. And there’s all these ups and downs. And for me, speaking to my daughters about that’s actually, actually vital as a substitute of simply making it about weight or physique picture and it’s all about well being and being robust. After which from there, you understand, on the bodily aspect, you understand, we try to do issues collectively as a household that, you understand, the place we keep lively, whether or not we go on a motorcycle journey, whether or not we go on a hike, whether or not we go swimming, we like to be open air and do issues open air.

And I keep in mind any time my ladies wrestle with one thing like the place they’re pissed off at themselves for not having the ability to accomplish one thing like their first time, I present them movies of once they first lastly did the monkey bars once they had been about three or 4 years outdated, the place I needed to maintain them and be with them each second of the way in which. After which lastly I bought them on video the place they might do the monkey bars by themselves. And that may be months later, in fact, you understand, it wasn’t like the primary day they had been capable of do the monkey bars. However I confirmed them that video to remind them that, hey, do you keep in mind doing the monkey bars and the way lengthy it took you to have the ability to do that by your self? This, no matter you’re doing may be very comparable the place you’re not gonna be good instantly, however that’s okay. You’re gonna get stronger. Your physique’s gonna turn out to be extra environment friendly at doing it. And earlier than you understand it, it’s gonna be like driving a motorcycle, you understand, now you don’t even have to consider it. And also you’re simply so good at it. And so, that’s type of how I talked to my daughters and I hope I’m doing the precise factor. Like, I hope…I’m simply doing the perfect I can. And it’s a enjoyable journey to be on. I like being a dad, two daughters, a woman dad. And I really feel very blessed.

Katie: I adore it. I believe we’re undoubtedly gonna must do a spherical 2 after your subsequent experiment and I’d like to have you ever again on in to do a complete episode simply on parenting and mindset and entrepreneur aspect as a result of I believe that’s a subject in and of itself. However as we get towards the tip of our time, a few questions I like to ask. The primary being, if there’s a e book or quite a lot of books which have dramatically impacted your life and if that’s the case, what they’re and why?

Drew: Sure. Okay. So, I’m glad you mentioned books, plural, as a result of it’s onerous to slim it down to at least one e book. ”The 4 Agreements” undoubtedly helped me to not take issues personally and never make assumptions about different folks. I really feel like numerous our society lives in that house of judging others, taking issues personally from social media posts. The second e book can be ”Daring Vastly” by Brené Brown. She’s helped me a lot to let go of this guilt and disgrace tradition that I grew up in with the very strict faith that I grew up with that I’m not part of anymore, however had a really unhealthy relationship with myself and hating who I used to be as a child due to guilt and disgrace. ”Daring Vastly” was an important e book for that.

”Ego is the Enemy,” nice e book to be taught to let go of your ego, particularly in conditions that brought on you to endure and relationships that’s modified my life. And another can be, ”Loving What Is” by Byron Katie. And that has helped me to let go of sure conditions that I can’t management as a result of I believe so many instances we endure after we try to management the uncontrollable. And, you understand, we are able to’t change that and studying to let go of that. It’s actually onerous to do however has actually helped me turn out to be free. So, these are just a few so far as mindset and private improvement goes, there’s dozens extra, however I’ll in all probability cease there.

Katie: These are all superb. I like all of these and I’ll ensure they’re all linked within the present notes. If you happen to guys haven’t learn them, I extremely advocate all of these suggestions. After which lastly, you could have already touched on numerous these all through the interview, however if you happen to type of checked out your life and did an 80/20 of all of the issues that you just do in a given day or a given time period, what would you say are the 20% of issues that present the best optimistic leads to your life?

Drew: In all probability my morning routine, it’s about perhaps 10, 20 minutes lengthy, and it consists of meditation, optimistic affirmations, and the gratitude record. And that proper there units my temper, my mindset for the remainder of the day and units the tone. Like, if I sit in consideration if I discover issues I’m grateful for and I’m capable of breathe and be current in the meanwhile and imagine in myself and have a optimistic view of who I’m. I really feel like I present up because the true, genuine model of myself. Whether or not I’m being a dad, whether or not I’m being a enterprise proprietor, whether or not I’m, you understand… In all my relationships in my life, I really feel like I can present up the perfect model of myself if I get that morning routine in, which is difficult generally as a guardian as a result of it’s not all the time excellent and your child may need a nightmare and that may throw your morning routine off to your child wants you. So, I’m forgiving of myself if I’m not excellent, however that proper there, if I can keep according to that, for essentially the most half, it simply…it helps me be a lot extra current and genuine all through your entire remainder of the day.

Katie: I adore it. Drew, this has been such a enjoyable interview. I can’t wait to comply with alongside along with your journey and I’ll be sure that all these hyperlinks for the present notes, wellnessmama.fm so that you guys can comply with alongside as effectively. Thanks a lot for the time. This was great.

Drew: Thanks, Katie. And I’d love to return again on. So, trying ahead to it.

Katie: And thanks, as all the time, all of you for sharing your most dear asset, your time with each of us. We’re so grateful that you just did, and I hope that you’ll be part of me once more on the following episode of ”The Wellness Mama” podcast.

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